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  48th ANNIVERSARY of me GOING TO PRISON

  by Terry in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i was twenty years old.. as a jehovah's witness, i had no career path ahead of me, no college to attend, and no prospect for my future other than.

  knocking on people's doors and scanning the horizon for signs of armageddon:).

  i was engaged to a 17-year-old witness girl i had met at the mineral wells assembly.. what was our future together?

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  cha ching

  So sorry, Terry, I can only imagine the things going through your head... you were an innocent person, an honest person, with sincere desires..

  I was a teenager in the late 60s early 70s, and those same kinds of things went thru my mind too... "Will I 'cry out'?" "What if I like it?" "What if I can't run?" "What if they have a knife to my throat?" "Will I even tell the elders?" "Can I tell the police? What if THEY tell the elders, and I get DF'd?" It scares you.

  Even when you were wondering "how this was going to reflect on Jehovah’s Witnesses," and thinking, "asked to transfer to Alternate Service in the hospital at this point I’d be marked as a loser whose lack of faith brought on his own ruination. I would let my fellow inmates down," the mind numbing propaganda still stuck, didn't it? ..... you will "never be tested beyond what you can endure".... That is a sad thing to stick in people's heads, because if they CAN'T endure it, then they must not be so good... when really, it isn't THEIR fault, it was a crime, a crime that the perpetrator must be accountable for.

  Your illustration of the fake map that "keeps taking you in circles" is spot on! "The journey that never ends..." A JW is 'never good enough,' 'never done,' 'must always improve,' ..... even then, when we had done our very, very best, we wondered, 'will i make it thru Armageddon?"

  The WTBS wants so much of US, yet gives us nothing. It demands more and more. I am so grateful that many have written of their real life journeys, made you-tube videos, blogged, gone to court.... We are now seeing, as has never been possible before, 'the fake map makers' the 'men behind the curtain' for who they are...

  Thx, cha ching!
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  Scrutinizing the teaching of Jesus Christ year 1874 vs 1914

  by MacHislopp in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  as the date of return of the lord jesus christ and the beginning of his invisible presence or parousia.

  what, then, about the parousia (presence) of christ?

  so a.d. 1914 marks the time of christs invisible return in spirit.

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  cha ching

  Thank you MacHislopp!

  I think people SHOULD be able to defend "truths", and if the WT claims to be the way of salvation for ... millions of people" they should be willing to submit to scrutiny and criticism.

  
  All who criticize have the obligation to be truthful in presenting the facts and fair and objective inassessing such

  It always bothered me too when the "Society" would say terrible things about any other religion,institution, any ANYthing that "criticizes or scrutinizes" them, or that was "incorrect"!

  Also, in the Watchtower issue of July 15, 1949 (page 215, paragraph 22), the statement is made:
  

  “ . . . Messiah, the Son of man, came into Kingdom power A.D. 1914 and . . . this constitutes his second coming and the beginning of his second parousía or presence.”

  Q. 55. (a) When and how was the insertion of 100 years into the period of the Judges done away with, so that 6,000 years of man’s existence ended when?

  (b) How did this affect the date 1874 C.E., and what question arose? This is a question from the WT, very direct! This is what they do when they change something.... like "What does a generation mean NOW?"

  I was a teenager, in the 70's when a couple of these books were studied, and very busy with highschool, homework, etc.... Then, when these books were studied again and again, I was a wife, mother, busy on my little hamster wheel: "studying for meetings, writing talks, going in service every weekend.."

  It was hard to even get the materials together to just 'write a talk.' I remember having WT's and AW's all over the kitchen table, scouring paragraphs for subjects that related to my "theme".

  No CD-Roms... no internet, no computer. Even with these things (that I totally LOVE) it takes time to do the research.

  Thank you AGAIN MacHislopp!

  cha ching!

  
  
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  Elizabeth McFarland child abuse lawsuit

  by berrygerry in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  i'm assuming this video is an appeal regarding this post.. https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/3p29yk/mcfarland_vs_jehovahs_witnesses_ohio_court_of/.

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/258835/elizabeth-mcfarland-child-abuse-lawsuit-on-news?size=20&page=2.

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  cha ching

  We saw this yesterday when surfing "Jehovah's Witnesses" on YouTube, and couldn't believe we saw the appeal (by WT) on line. Apparently, the court posts each session. Public records.

  The man representing the victim is Devin Story, who works for the Zalkin law firm.

  When you listen to WT lawyers, they are always concerned about "the law" and "confidentiality"... not the victim.
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  UPDATE on moving in with 4 guys

  by Terry in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  living with 4 other guys.

  "good morning, richard!

  richard is almost never in the house.

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  cha ching

  Haha! I can totally relate to that Terry! I am just like Richard... appear out of nowhere, I scream!

  We were visiting friends in Nevada, and the 15 year old was messing around hiding in the closet... I knew where she was, and when I opened the door, I still screamed! haha!
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  Great Evening....

  by Lee Elder in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  ...with dick and helen kelly.

  got to meet joe and barbara anderson and their friend joy on their whirlwind u.s. tour.

  wonderful conversation and opportunity to reminisce about our wts experiences and our plans for the future.

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  cha ching

  Haha, Joyzabel.... we hear you are going to star in a new movie...... "Driving Ms Barbara"
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  Have you heard the one about "Back to the Future" Predicting 911??

  by EndofMysteries in

  1. social
  2. entertainment

  when somebody posted this on fb, i was anxious to see how ridiculous it would be, probably worse then the gb prophecies, etc.

  after watching the clip, i honestly don't know what to believe.

  at the very least it's very entertaining and interesting.

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  cha ching

  This video reminds me of 'propaganda techniques', as it repeats phrases over and over, starts off as "could be" and becomes "it IS".... "We learned this fact in this scene"... Sounds a lot like Russell in his crazy books, and also like the WT in it's "revealing of new lights"

  I wish I had the time, and I would connect the dots between another movie, another event, along with a book, and say "I predicted it" and afterwards I would reveal the utter ridiculousness of it all....

  People create these wild videos, and say "Here, it's a fact, YOU disprove it," when really, THEY are the ones who should prove it in the first place.
  
  
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  Hey! Wanted to say Hi!

  by Miss Worldly in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  hey!

  i've been hanging around her for a while.

  this is the third attempt at my 'hello'.

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  cha ching

  Welcome, and congratulations on "pushing the button!"
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  Did an EX-JW wake you up to TTATT or did you put the effort to wake up yourself?

  by John Aquila in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  how many of us were woken up by some apostate yelling false prophets at a convention?.

  how many of us were woken up by someone holding a sign and yelling, what happened to 1975.

  how many of us were coerced to investigate the wt because some ex-jw pulled up a bunch of old watchtowers magazines and told us to read the false predictions?.

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  cha ching

  Self wake.... When they started changing "when this generation would see the new system" (say around 2010) we looked into 607, used WT's, JW CD library, all of the society's literature.

  All kinds of wrong things had happened in the past from elders, CO's, kindgom hall builds, assembly hall builds..... all kinds of stuff..... It wasn't until something doctrinal came up, that showed they were lying, that was provable, along with the internet (with webistes like this & others), did we have the ability to just stop. We saw the man behind the curtain....That was it.
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  Hello to everybody!

  by John Free in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i wanted to introduce myself.

  like many of you i was born-in, am married with one child.

  after 36 years of this cycle: doubts-thought stopping- suppression- indoctrination-cult mode i realised enough was enough.

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  cha ching

  Hi there! So glad to hear your whole fam made it out!

  Mine did too! and for THAT I am so glad! I was quite anxious, at first, to see if my three children would be able to "look behind the curtain" and be able to deal with what they saw.

  Congratulations!
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  A new member

  by Kurteousmaximus in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  hi... i am new and after nearly 20 years after being disassociated at 15 i would like to make contact with others who have similar difficulties.

  my mother was disfellowshipped shortly after my rebellion and had all ties with both her mother and brother cut and that remains the case.. just really hacked off with not being able to put things in the proper place in my life after all these years.

  for the record i don't know if i believe in god but am searching for some peace as i seem to self destruct on a regular basis.. any ideas anyone?.

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  cha ching

  Hi Kurteousmaximus! Welcome!

  One thing you will love about this place, as I did/ do, is that there are people who share your same experiences, who will understand right away... w/o a lot of explaining.... what you are going thru ;)

  They also have great ideas of how to survive the mental anguish the WT loads on to your brain. It helps you sort things out, feel better about yourself, see who the real villain is. Just being able to express yourself helps, right?

  There are people who believe in God, in some form.... others are atheists... agnostics, some are evolutionists, undecided, all kinds... but we all know what the WT has done to many people, and are empathetic to the dilemmas you are going thru.

  Hang in there, who knows? there may be an exJW that lives close to you!

  cha ching!